what is your reaction to the rhetoric that he's been using? >> well, i think he's trying to put fear into the american public and what's amazing to me, sean, i talk about this, this is like a road show president. he's more interested in keeping the campaign going, going around the country, and he's got to decide, either he wants to be president of a political party or wants to be president of the united states and actually lead in the process and work towards some type of solution, but that's not what we're getting. >> now, the president says on friday he's going to meet with the the four top congressional leaders, that means john boehner and senator mitch mcconnell. didn't john boehner say he wasn't going to do that anymore or did i misunderstand it. >> said he wasn't going to sit down and negotiate, what the president is doing is asking for a photo op at the last minute. remember what we're talking about. 85 billion dollars out of a 3.6 trillion dollar budget. we borrow 85 billion dollars every 28 days so we're just talking about less cuts,